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bill w
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monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new
      #3668923 - 03/09/10 01:37 AM

was going to post this yesterday, but i've never seen so many new posts, so i thought i'd give it a day. here's a technicolor monkey:

SHO (click for linked text for full size)



SHO uncorrected stars



starless



simulated RGB (with narrowband liberties) individual ddp then Ha+SII OIIIxHa+OIII OIII(80)+Ha(20):



Ha



monkey head orientation



SII-OIII-Ha comparison: <blink>blinking monkey</blink>

FS102@f/6, astrodon 5nm Ha,OIII 3nm SII filters, SX H9
Ha 32x20 min, OIII 33x20 min, SII 43x20 min
Jan 5,9,23-25, Feb 2,3,7,8,10,12,13 2010
los alamitos, ca

calibrated, combined, color balanced (113 13 70), ddp, curve, local adaptive filter (boosts contrast in low contrast areas) in maxim. then to PS for Noel's DSN reduction, high pass filter, light layering of Ha as luminance with saturation adjustment all applied with a layer mask. star color adjusted using a simulated RGB version and JP's star removal action, a few hot pixels stomped, Ha applied in darken mode with inverted layer mask to remove OIII and SII gradients.

debated the orientation of this one. i preferred the pillars at the bottom, appearing to rise up (north to right i think). rather than north up or the "monkey" orientation.

the large circular SII (orange) region in the center keeps drawing my attention. i'm used to seeing preferential SII highlights (compared to Ha) in pillars, but not in more diffuse structures like this. it almost seems like a seperate nebula that's superimposed (is this how arp started?). or perhaps we're looking into a pillar end-on

ps forgot to mention this is my first image completely acquired with CCD commander. one night i set the scope up, set the timer, went out to dinner, returned home to find the scope up and running. the meridian flip is still a bit dicey, but it was nice to get a reliable refocus every hour.

Edited by bill w (03/09/10 01:38 AM)


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: bill w]
      #3668948 - 03/09/10 02:14 AM

You really put the time into this beauty!

Besides this being a great series two things hit me. One you had more clear nights for this object than I've had since September -- That's not fair, I'm taking my scope and going home. Never mind, I'm already home that's the problem (fog, drizzle, ice pellets etc tonight). The other is that you only need to refocus every hour. I have to after every 10 minute frame. Not sure if its the scope or the rate my temperature drops. I can usually get by refocusing every hour if I used the correct temperature curve for the RoboFocuser's temperature compensation. Since the focus seems to lag the temp drop more when dropping fast I have to guess how fast it will drop and pick the curve for that. Get it wrong and the image suffers. Sure wish they made carbon fiber tubes for this scope!

With the monkey on his face I hardly recognized it. I seem to see different features with every 90 degrees of rotation. Odd how the brain does that. Considering there's no such thing as up out there I suppose any orientation, other than a mirrored one, is "correct". Mirrored ones really scrape a nerve for some reason.

Rick


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: bill w]
      #3668952 - 03/09/10 02:22 AM

extraordinary, bill. stunning.

timing is everything. what is becoming more obvious to me is these truly exceptional images take great patience. thanks for sharing.


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: elbee]
      #3668962 - 03/09/10 02:31 AM

Wow, Bill.
That's stunning - another tremendous 3-D effect image.
I'm sensing that you're really enjoying that SII filter.
I'm also glad you got it - your images are worth waiting for.
Seriously.....~40 hrs??


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: mnaf]
      #3668970 - 03/09/10 02:44 AM

thanks for the kind comments
it's only a day and a half mike
despite that, my SII is still noisy and OIII has gradients
will consider less Ha exposure and a narrower OIII filter
if it's any consolation the month and a half it took to collect this image was followed by several weeks of torrential rain including floods and tornadoes during a new moon...
rick, don't forget, you get more signal in an hour than i get in 24 which is why you're still processing data from july


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: bill w]
      #3668980 - 03/09/10 03:04 AM

Beautiful image, and really great processing.

Malcolm


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: Malcolm Park]
      #3669098 - 03/09/10 06:22 AM

Stunning work!

One of the very best images from this target I have ever seen. Congratulations.


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: J.P.M]
      #3669117 - 03/09/10 06:42 AM

Bill, I am floored at how good this looks. I too am quite jealous of your weather and would quite happily take the odd torrential downpour for what looks like nearly a solid month of clarity

Not only have you put in enough time on ths one to make most imagers cringe in fear, you've clearly become a processing monster.

Extremely well done sir.

Cheers,
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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: mnaf]
      #3669351 - 03/09/10 09:27 AM

Really terrific image, Bill!!

David


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Bill W.
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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #3669375 - 03/09/10 09:45 AM

Great looking image bill!

-Bill


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: Bill W.]
      #3669385 - 03/09/10 09:50 AM

beautiful, and I like all of the versions.

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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: budguinn]
      #3670456 - 03/09/10 05:16 PM

Outstanding Bill!
And as usual, a great description of process, which I always find very helpful - thanks!


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 [Re: Ted W]
      #3671966 - 03/10/10 11:08 AM

thanks for the comments

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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: bill w]
      #3672070 - 03/10/10 11:42 AM

Good one Bill! Reminds me a little of the Lagoon. I'll put this one one the 'todo' list, at least it gets nice and high, unlike the Lagoon!

Steve


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: yock1960]
      #3672251 - 03/10/10 12:51 PM

Thought I replied to this already.
Nicely done.
I may re visit this someday.


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: yock1960]
      #3672614 - 03/10/10 03:40 PM

Fantastic Bill! Do you use the star removal action as it is or have you modified it?

Ginge


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: Ginge]
      #3672704 - 03/10/10 04:24 PM

fantastic!
how to create starless version?


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: HrAstro]
      #3672971 - 03/10/10 06:17 PM

HrAstro: J-P has made a pdf explaning that and his Tone-mapping technique on his web-site here.

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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: Ginge]
      #3673623 - 03/10/10 11:42 PM

Bill
Awesome shot! I think i like the Simulated color version. the reds and blues are stunning.


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Re: monkey nebula a/k/a Sh2-252, ngc 2174,5 new [Re: Ginge]
      #3673831 - 03/11/10 03:51 AM

Quote:

J-P has made a pdf explaning that and his Tone-mapping technique on his web-site here.




thanks


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