caheaton
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Reged: 05/26/09
Loc: SW Ohio
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Hello, I've recently switched my (very old) laptop over to Xubuntu from Windows 2000. Is there any imaging software that works with the Meade LPI that will run under Linux? If so, is it easy to use? (I'm still a novice to imaging). Lacking such software, has anyone tried running the Meade software under Wine?
I suppose there's always the virtual pc route, but this laptop isn't really powerful enough to support such an option (it's an old P3 with 256MB of Ram and 6G HD...quite the screamer !)
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
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The freeware program wxAstroCapture has a Linux version. However, I haven't found any camera drivers that work with my Orion LPI. Some programs work under Wine such as Hallo Northern Sky but I don't know if that applies to drivers. Many driver packages do not use an EXE installer which Wine-Doors requires. I don't know how else you would create a Windows environment that would run the driver install package by just plugging in the device.
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caheaton
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Reged: 05/26/09
Loc: SW Ohio
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Good point about the drivers...I should have thought of that. It looks like a virtual machine might be the way to go (maybe). I did replace xubuntu with Puppy Linux this morning. The latest version is Ubuntu based (like xubuntu), so it can still use Ubunutu software packages but it runs much faster! The default install leaves me with around 150MB free as opposed to the 13MB I'd managed to get with Xubuntu.
I like the XFCE desktop better, but it's worth the tradeoff for performance. Next step...trying out SkyX and Starry Night under wine. Craig
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Edward E
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Reged: 03/26/06
Loc: Tucson, Arizona
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Try this app. Audela
I have no experience with this app but I have read good reviews about it. It supports webcams, so it may support your LPI.
just remembered this venerable app: XEphem
I have used this app before. It is not eye candy, but it is very powerful software and if you take the time to learn it, it is amazing what you can do with it. It will control a Meade LPI camera using the INI drivers. There is a freeware copy and a purchase copy; you will want the purchase copy (69.95 US download or 79.95 US for 3 CDs).
Edited by Edward E (09/03/10 03:17 PM)
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
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I tried all the Linux download links and they're all E404. May try the XP version but wonder if there's an English version. The screen shots are not.
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
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I vaguely remember trying something with INDI drivers on both PCL2009 and Mint9. All I remember is a horrible experience with version numbers so had to remove it all.
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Edward E
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Reged: 03/26/06
Loc: Tucson, Arizona
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Most likely you will have to use the source code and compile it yourself, that is if the Ubuntu group does not have audela in the repository. The link to audela source code still functions.
There is KStars, it uses the INI driver plugins and use to support various cameras. You might have to install it from source as well if you want all of KStars's features to work. KStars is in Ubuntu's repository.
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
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Just tried Audela in XP. It has an English interface but doesn't recognize either my Orion LPI or the Acer netbook built-in webcam.
Will try the Linux version when I find a working download link.
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
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Found a link to the DEB file. It installs ok in Mint9 but doesn't appear in the main menu. It will launch in a terminal but only as root. It doesn't recognize any of my cameras and the error windows will not close. Removing it now.
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caheaton
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Reged: 05/26/09
Loc: SW Ohio
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Thanks for the links, guys, and thank you to "Arctic Eddie" for saving me some time and testing out Audela. Xephem sounds promising, but wonder if it's worth purchasing given that it costs more then the laptop is probably worth :-) ! At the moment, I use my work (owned but for me to use) to gather my Meade LPI images (its a fairly new XP machine). The Linux laptop is more for testing and playing with.
If anyone is interested, I did manage to get Starry Night installed and running...but it's (pardon the pun since it's running on Puppy Linux) dog slow! I suspect this is due to the lack of hardware acceleration. I haven't figured out how to get that working yet...or if it's even possible under puppy with the old graphics the laptop is using (ATI Rage 128). SkyX wouldn't even install properly. (These installs are under WINE). Starry Night would probably work okay on a faster machine.
I have an old copy (version 2) of the Meade Autostar Suite...that might work better on this machine. I'll have to give that a try next. If that fails, somewhere I have a star atlas that was written for DOS...I used to use it back in my Tandy 1000 days (8088 CPU). That one should surely run!
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
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I wouldn't buy any program until it's proven to work with particular hardware. Use the time trial version to test hardware.
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ccs_hello
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Reged: 07/03/04
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Indeed. Read the whole thread through this point and had not heard LPI's device driver is found.
Clear Skies!
ccs_hello
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groz
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Reged: 03/14/07
Loc: Duncan, BC
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Lpi is just the 'USB SN9C10x PC Camera Controller' to linux. It's just a plain old webcam, rebranded. This particular webcam is different than most in that it can be set to do longer exposures, and the last time I looked, the video4linux drivers (latest renditions) do support the longer exposure modes.
Much like the NexImage from celestron is just a rebadged philips webcam, the lpi is just 'yet another rebadged webcam', so shouldn't be difficult to get going at all with a relatively recent linux distribution.
Once the correct drivers are in, and recognize the camera, then any program that can work with a v4l device should work fine with the lpi.
An old page with some of the details is here:-
http://www.weasner.com/etx/astrophotography/2005/lpi-linux.html
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ccs_hello
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Reged: 07/03/04
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Groz,
Wonderful!
SN9C10[12] PC Camera Controller detected (vid/pid 0x0C45/0x602A)
HV7131D image sensor detected
These are key information!
I have not found the long exposure related config information (exposure control 1 - 25) for the SN9c102 device driver. Probably LPI does not support long exposure at all???
PS. just found HV7131D conf registers:
0x26 and 0x27, max. integration time 65535*648*100nS= 4.246Second
P.S.2 another driver
http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=2 and
http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/news/
Clear Skies!
ccs_hello
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caheaton
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Reged: 05/26/09
Loc: SW Ohio
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Thank you! I'll have to give those drivers a try. Also, for the record, the Meade Autostar software installed and appears to be running okay (at least the atlas part) under WINE. It's quite snappy in performance too. As far as long exposure, the LPI can go from .001 to 16 seconds, but I've never tried it at anything near that long as I've only used it for recording sunspots so far. Craig
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bookman1995
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Reged: 06/29/10
Loc: Nevada
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Looks like this one died off around 9/5 but for what it's worth, I had good luck with Kstars on Ubuntu 10.10 working right off the bat with the LPI. My main problem was getting Ubuntu to recognize my mount for goto operation. That said, the LPI is a POS in my opinion - the plastic case is translucent and transfers light from the amber "on" light to the chip, meaning you have to do a bit of work to keep the chip in the dark. Meade really should make a 64-bit Windows driver for it as well.
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
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Did you have to deal with the Indi drivers to get the GT to work?
On some systems I find Indi, libindi, and indilib. Not all are needed and some combinations won't work at all. Kstars may have some of the drivers included. I'm using Mint Linux 2010 and CDC 3.2.
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
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I just looked at the dependency list for Kstars in Synaptic for Mint. It shows that libindi0 is needed. That's a good clue for other sky charts that have GT features. I see there are also two driver files for Apogee and SBig cameras.
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Arctic_Eddie
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Reged: 12/30/07
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I have CDC talking to my Nexstar 6SE through the Indi server and apparently only using the libindi0 driver. The USB/Serial adapter shows up on /dev/ttyUSB0. In Kstars, no telescope is listed so I can't get past the setup screens. Does anyone know where the driver file can be found for Celestron scopes in Kstars?
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groz
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Reged: 03/14/07
Loc: Duncan, BC
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Have you installed the whole indi package, or just the libindi0 library ? The way I do it here, I start indiserver on it's own, with parameters for the telescope driver. For the celestron driver it would be
indiserver indi_celestron_gps
In the Kstars telescope setup panels, click on the 'client' tab, then set up a server connection using the 'add' tab for the indiserver running at localhost port 7624. Hilight that one, and click 'connect'.
For Cdc, in the telescope settings, select indi driver, then configure localhost port 7624, leave the 'automatically start' unchecked. Set the device port for your serial port (/dev/ttyUSB0) and in telescope type, it really shouldn't matter what's there, I have 'other' selected, but if you have the full indi package installed, there should be an entry in that drop-down for the celestron scope. That should only be used by Cdc if it's actually starting the indiserver, but the current release of Cdc has a few issues in this area, which have been corrected in the svn issue daily builds after I submitted problem reports.
When I first started using indi with kstars and cdc, I had some issues figuring out the right twiddling to get it all working, but once going, it seemed to work ok. I really wanted all of my gear at the telescope to work over the indi connection, so I dug in a couple months ago, and started writing some drivers. I have recently commited to the indi svn drivers for
SXV-H9 ccd with sxv guide head attached Starlight Xpress filter wheel fcusb focus motor controller Synscan mount
In the process of getting all of the drivers going correctly, I ran into a few issues with both indi and Cdc. Much to my surprise / delight, bug reports to the Cdc bug tracker setup got response / fix within a week, and bug reports into the indi mailing list resulted in fixes showing up in the svn within 24 hours in most cases.
I believe most distributions that carry indi are still packaging 0.6x, but there is a ppa for ubuntu that has the most recently released 0.72 variant. It's listed with 'howto' for ubuntu at the indi website in the downloading section ( www.indilib.org ).
For our own use here, we will be putting indiserver onto headless little solid state boxes for set up at the telescope. I'm using a couple old atx motherboards, with a minimal lucid install that boots from a jumpstick. I've got pico-ps power supplies in them, and it's a fanless cpu, so we end up with all solid state, no moving parts for the 'outside' stuff. I'm running gigabit ethernet between the house network and the telescope location, so, we'll be using it all over the network, the little headless boxes at the telescope will have no user-land programs on them other than the basic indiserver and the drivers for telescope, camera, filter wheel and focus stuff. It'll be a good setup, and I'll finally have a proper 'network aware' remote telescope operation happening.
I have played with some of the other drivers etc in the indi package. The gphoto driver for dslr 'just worked' with my Canon 350, likewise the qhy5 stuff. I checked open-phd out of it's version control, and it built with no issues here. It looks just like phd on any other platform, but I haven't had a chance to feed it real starlight yet due to incessant and continuous rain over the last few weeks. Csc is hinting at some possible clear time over the next few days, so, I may get a chance to finally put starlight into all of this new stuff, but I'm not getting my hopes up to high right now.
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